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*facepalms* No bloody kidding. Maybe not being Catholic, I don't see the big deal, but....

The big deal is represented here.

Makes far much more sense now. Thanks for the link.

Oh, good grief. This is why I am a nonpracticing anything (from a Catholic family). I think the spirit of the thing is much more important than the thing itself.

But... but... y'know, the miracle of Transsubstantiation! if you use non-gluten products, you won't get Dead Jesus - it could be any random person turns up!

::snerk:: <33 Kay.

Well. That's the kind of things that gives us Catholics a bad name. >_

Jesus.

Literally.

Let the kid have her ~~cookie~~ wafer. She's a kid.

*coughs and steps in as the resident Catholic*

This girl's parents aren't the first nor the last to take this opinion on the issue.

Long story short: This is the literal body of Jesus Christ we're talking about, and the bread and wine we use for consecration has to be pure. We've got all sorts of laws as to how to take care of the body of Christ, what we can use for the bread and what we can't-- we can't consecrate a rice wafer into the Body of Christ, it just doesn't work. It wouldn't be God, and it'd defeat the purpose of the sacrament.

She can still drink the blood, which is just as good as eating the flesh. My friend just drinks the wine because she can't have the host. It's not a big deal.

Her parents won't allow her alcohol, it seems.

Then her parents are making the decision for her not to receive communion. She has the option.

http://www.dioceseoftrenton.org/department/news_detail.asp?newsid=1005

Though I don't know whether it'll still contain too much gluten for her or not.

*wry smile* This takes me back to when

stgpcm and I first met, and he was explaining that when he was a teen his church celebrated the Eucharist with blackcurrant juice (strictly no booze for God's Elect!) and Ryvita crackers. And - somehow - it still managed to seem weird to me. Though, to be honest, I think juice and crackers would have probably tasted better than out Church of England wafers and wine.

Sheesh. Maybe 2000 years from now someone'll be arguing over the doctrinal correctness of pizza and beer, which is probably what today's Last Supper would be.

::dies:: Dude. Can I stick the last part in

metaquotes?

But of course!

*hugs*

Seriously? The (Methodist) church I grew up in uses Chips Ahoy cookies and milk for communion.

I'm loathe to think what the Catholic Church would have to say about that one.

Same as they would for anything that doesn't fit their doctrine - see the link that I posted at the beginning of the discussion. Satan-inspired Idolatry, it seems.

Yeah, I know that I shouldn't have been surprised at the Ryvita and Ribena Mass, but all my formal religious exposure as a young'un was to High (very High) Anglicanism - it just really hadn't occurred to me that anyone might celebrate the Eucharist with anything other than wafers and (not very nice) wine.

But milk and cookies! That's lovely, but I think that I might be misled by expecting a bedtime story and a kiss goodnight afterwards :)

Satan-inspired Idolatry... *shakes head* I'mma try to be polite and not say what I'm tempted to on that count. >.<;

I think it's perfectly understandable that someone brought up in Catholicism might be surprised (even shocked) at the use of anything but the standard wafers and wine. After all, when you're a kid, rules are rules and they DON'T get broken (or at least, not by the grown-ups...)

*chuckles* Well, they get the bedtime story! Children's Time (a part of the service where our pastor condenses and rewords his sermon into a children's tale) usually comes right after Communion. But, unless they get them from their parents, I fear they're sorely lacking in the goodnight kiss department. ;o)

I bet there's a special circle of Hell for people who use milk and cookies at communion that Dante didn't even know about.

*snerk* Hmm... maybe I should go double-check my Bible for that one. ;o)

Not me pet - we were drowners not heretics. Diced sliced white and alcohol free red wine (served in glass thimbles). You're the one that called it Ribena.

Although in Sunday School we used Tuc biscuits and ketchup to 'understand' the last supper, so perhaps thats where you got the Ryvita from.

*grin* Sorry, sweetheart. Hm, so if it wasn't you, I wonder who it was? I definitely do remember being amazed at the Ryvita and Ribena sacrament that someone told me about.

Sliced white? Leavened? You little heretic, you! if you're going to do that, you could have at least used nice home-baked wholemeal...

I'm not sure that Tuc biccies and ketchup isn't even weirder, though :)

Coming from a church that used chocolate chip cookies and milk for communion... I'm with you. *facepalms*

*boggles*

I find that quite appalling.

I was brought up very definitely non-conformist (so grape juice at communion and I'm sure rice wafers wouldn't have been a problem - not that I've ever been a communicant even at a URC/Methodist service), so have of course never believed in transubstantiation. And I can see that believing in transubstantiation would make a bit of difference. But it's still very hard for me to get my head around believing on any level that God would want a girl with coeliac disease to consume wheat, or an alcoholic to consume alcohol.

Mind if I swipe the link and quote it on my own journal? Will of course say where I got it from! I have a lot of liberal Roman and Anglo-Catholics on my friends list who'd find this very interesting. Including one who a) has coeliac disease and b) is hoping to become a priest one day...

And can I say that for such a controversial issue the discussion of it here seems incredibly polite, thoughtful and calm? Go your friends list! *grin*

And can I say that for such a controversial issue the discussion of it here seems incredibly polite, thoughtful and calm?

IMHO that's because she's an incredibly splendid person and like finds like.

By the way, I just noticed that you and I have quite a few interests and friends in common, so I've taken the liberty of adding you to my list :)

::blushblush::

Go ahead and take the link! Hopefully, discussion on your flist can be just as well thought out (considering I was mostly being sarcastic, I'm surprised discussion started but I somehow think I should have).

My flist is truly the best ever. ::g::

*chuckle* Can we settle for primus inter pares, since I think that mine's pretty wonderful too?

Certainly. ::g::

Hi. I'm sorry to kind of barge into your LJ, but I saw your post on metaquotes, and I had to come in and say OH MY GOD YOU HAVE A SPECIALS ICON WITH FANDOM TIE-IN QUOTE. I adore The Specials and Crystalwank and I absolutely COVET your icon in the worst way. May I please, please share it? I would of *course* give you credit in keywords and a GIP post because OH. MY. GOD is it AWESOME.

/fangirl

Hee of course. "my hed iz pastede on yay" is the best quoteable ever as in I will never be sick of it and Crystalwank is the best thing ever.

kaesa showed me the picture and I was like OMGICONNING.

Thank you so, so much! gacking and crediting. But you have seen the movie, right?

Actually no. XD

OMG you completely must! It is one of my very favorite movies ever!

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